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slowerpoke · Dec 11, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Are X Still Y?

yes and no

FlamingMetroid · Dec 11, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd

Warriors are the best damage class in the game.

That is all.

The end.

Anyone who says otherwise is stupid.

yes. Dervishes are good at outputting mini spikes every 3 seconds, but those spikes always depend on luck. Warriors do the best jobs of dealing consistent amounts of damage, having good utility, and having reliable spikes. Warriors also have access to hammers and KD which can be way more useful than scythes and their pure power. Yeah assassins can do more damage in PvE, but nobody cares about PvE.

Lyynyyrd · Dec 11, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/KD

Mr. Undisclosed · Dec 11, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

yes. Dervishes are good at outputting mini spikes every 3 seconds, but those spikes always depend on luck. Warriors do the best jobs of dealing consistent amounts of damage, having good utility, and having reliable spikes. Warriors also have access to hammers and KD which can be way more useful than scythes and their pure power. Yeah assassins can do more damage in PvE, but nobody cares about PvE.

Only the OP, about 80% of guru, probably more than that in-game.

OT I'd say sins outclass them in farming, pretty equal in general PvE, but warriors are by far superior in PvP.

Gregslot · Dec 11, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Yes, warriors are still viable, just like any other class in the game.
You cant compare directly a warrior to a dervish, even if both use scythes. They are different classes, its like comparing a monk with a ranger.

A warrior has better armor and better damage, but a dervish has better heal and better energy management.
Yes a warrior with Warrior's Endrance can mantain energy, but he will lose and elite skill, at this case we can say a dervish is better because he can deal a bit less damage but apply bleeding and deepwound with Wounding Strike. Wich would be a mistake, because obviously both have their strong and different points.
If GW were all about DPS we wouldnt see any other classes in play but warriors, its not about conditions neither, or hexes. Its about everything.

Tyla · Dec 11, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregslot

You cant compare directly a warrior to a dervish, even if both use scythes. They are different classes, its like comparing a monk with a ranger.

Pretty bad comparissons of comparissons. Comparing a Monk to a Ranger is different to comparing a Warrior to a Dervish because a Monk has no comparable synergy that compares with a Ranger whereas a Warrior can effectively wield a scythe comparable, no, better than a Dervish - at least if you ask me on the basis of comparable comparissons. Also, you're comparing damage dealer against damage dealer with midliner against backliner, another bad comparisson point in terms of comparissons.

Lyynyyrd · Dec 11, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10340103

AN EVEN BETTER EXPLANATION OF WHY WARRIORS ARE STILL THE MOST VIABLE CLASS IN THE GAME^^^

FlamingMetroid · Dec 11, 2008, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregslot

Yes a warrior with Warrior's Endrance can mantain energy, but he will lose and elite skill, at this case we can say a dervish is better because he can deal a bit less damage but apply bleeding and deepwound with Wounding Strike.

yes, that is why there are so many dervishes and so few WE warriors in the meta right now :|

What Now · Dec 11, 2008, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

yes, that is why there are so many dervishes and so few WE warriors in the meta right now :|

LOL love the logic. So using an elite for DP which warriors can do with dismember > having infinite energy to spam big damage? Not only that but with slower attack speed and mainly a lack of KD which is OMFGGG pressure if used efficiently it's easier to shut down a dervish/sin and monks just brush them off. Unlike them a warriors not hit or miss.

Monked 28 minutes against 2 Dervish with SoH in a GvG laughing because...if they had KD or interrupts...I'd almost be worried...but prots and heals > no pressure. It's like a bad spike in HA, you can infuse self heal all day long especially with energy management. At least that's IMO.

Reverend Dr · Dec 11, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

In raw DPS no skill usage dervs are only slightly lower than warriors. Things to remember
-More hits = more adrenaline = more warrior +damage
-More hits =! more energy or faster scythe attacks recharge = no extra damage over base DPS
-33% IAS easy to maintain 100% on warrior, no good way to maintain it 100% on derv
-All warriors have KD (at very least bull's strike), Dervs almost never(haven't seen a good build with one) bring a KD themselves

Dervs still have more spike damage and a more on demand type of spike (being energy and recharge based rather than adrenaline) so they are going to be favored for more spike based builds. Warriors however are still the the most versitile in terms of offensive power, only being beaten out by dervs in pure spike potential (and a warrior's spike potential is potent enough on its own.

It really should come as no surprise as to why warriors are generally still the powerhouse in PvP.

Arkantos · Dec 11, 2008, 10:10 PM // 22:10

People who say warriors are not viable really don't know much about the game. People comparing warriors to dervishes and saying dervishes are better know even less.

Yes, warriors are still very viable, in both PvE and PvP.

snaek · Dec 11, 2008, 10:19 PM // 22:19

lol @ the warrior hate in this thread

war is the standard frontline
monk is the standard backline

there r only few occasions in which a war will not be the best frontline
and even fewer occasions in which a monk will not be the best backline

and then of course there r the team builds that do not have a frontline/backline composition (aka gimmick)

in terms of solo farming
wars r indeed still "viable"
but there r better choices nowadays
(generally anything that involves the broken shadow form, and a few other builds)

HawkofStorms · Dec 11, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by What Now

LOL love the logic. So using an elite for DP which warriors can do with dismember > having infinite energy to spam big damage? Not only that but with slower attack speed and mainly a lack of KD which is OMFGGG pressure if used efficiently it's easier to shut down a dervish/sin and monks just brush them off. Unlike them a warriors not hit or miss.

Monked 28 minutes against 2 Dervish with SoH in a GvG laughing because...if they had KD or interrupts...I'd almost be worried...but prots and heals > no pressure. It's like a bad spike in HA, you can infuse self heal all day long especially with energy management. At least that's IMO.

Sarcasm decection failure.
What do you think the " : | " was for?

thor hammerbane · Dec 11, 2008, 11:54 PM // 23:54

For PvE-Roll anything and c space

For PvP-Warrior is still the most reliable and most versatile physical class for PvP. Dervish and assasin were made for people who are bad at warrior, 12345 spikes (which can be unblockable), and massive scythe attacks w/ aoe (liek zomg). Dervish and assasin only really work vs bad teams..Warriors are still the most effective at spiking, and dps.

Shadowfox1125 · Dec 12, 2008, 02:05 AM // 02:05

[Earth Shaker] > PvE

[Devastating Hammer] [Magehunter's Smash] [Warrior's Endurance] [Eviscerate] [Bull's Strike]

boontheloon · Dec 12, 2008, 09:13 AM // 09:13

Ok everyone thanks for the posts

Im going to continue to play my Warrior but i wondered if some people could help me with

A. A warrior hammer build for PVE
B. I looking for either a dual farming build or solo farm for Assassins

TYVM for all the replies
Boon

Reason im asking is because up untill now i have only done Axe and Sword builds

Sirius-NZ · Dec 12, 2008, 10:03 AM // 10:03

It's ... pushing it to say any of the three melee classes are outright better than the others in PvP, and ridiculous to say that one or two make the other one or two useless. They have their different strengths. The thing the warrior has going for it is it's more versatile and flexible.

I've seen Assassins do some pretty incredible damage, and to a monk they can get really scary at times, especially in 4v4 matches - but they're also glass cannons and a Mesmer will probably nuke them. Dervishes do great pressure and spikes, but ... not much else to be honest. The lack of KD makes it hard to kill a good monk with one.

Still, each class has its place. It's just that the Warrior's does seem more likely to occur in practice.

P.S. GWG has a forum you can find information on Warrior PvE builds from here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...play.php?f=210
I'm not exactly a hammer pro myself, but they do look pretty impressive.

What Now · Dec 12, 2008, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Sarcasm decection failure.
What do you think the " : | " was for?

Wasn't referring to him, was merely playing off his sarcasm (I hope it was anyway) at the former post he quoted, I should of probably quoted it aswell but meh x.x

Shadowfox1125 · Dec 12, 2008, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by boontheloon

Ok everyone thanks for the posts

Im going to continue to play my Warrior but i wondered if some people could help me with

A. A warrior hammer build for PVE
B. I looking for either a dual farming build or solo farm for Assassins

TYVM for all the replies
Boon

Reason im asking is because up untill now i have only done Axe and Sword builds

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:W/...E_Earth_Shaker

cthulhu reborn · Dec 12, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

I would say that the warrior, like pretty much any class has at least one or two standard builds that are effective in at least some part of pvp.

In pve, which I play a lot more than pvp, I don't play my warrior much anymore. Sure, as a terratank in some elite area's and to run some things in tyria, then I bring out my warrior, but when it comes to other things other classes are really preferred and better.
Still, you still can play the warrior and it will work, but especially in HM missions and vanquishing warriors and not the most wanted class for a party. Warrios cannot take enough damage without completely basing skill sets around it and even then are always too vulnerable to be the front line...minions are simply better. Again only in elite area's terra tanks are useful and even then they often need a bonder to support them.

So yes you can play a warrior still and it's not bad but personally I see that I only still play my warrior to run people between Ascalon and Sanctum Cay (and back).